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Small Nuclear War Could Reverse Global Warming for Years?

Seeded on Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:43 AM EST
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global-warming, cold-war, nuclear-war
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Even a regional nuclear war could spark "unprecedented" global cooling and reduce rainfall for years, according to U.S. government computer models.

Widespread famine and disease would likely follow, experts speculate.

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AdipicAcid

Somehow I think this is akin to curing a headache by shooting oneself in the stomach: you certainly don't feel the headache anymore, but...

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:44 AM EST
Starseeker

maybe if we just blow up some more pacific islands... that would only be like blowing off a couple of fingers or toes.

We might need to take a more natural approach... one that includes raising the sea level significantly so perhaps just blowing up Antarctica would get the job done.

    #1.1 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:35 AM EST
    King Dave

    Over 500 atmospheric nuclear weapons tests were conducted at various sites around the world from 1945 to 1980.

    Over 1500 underground and space nuclear weapon tests. Most by the U.S. followed closely by the USSR.

    • 1 vote
    #1.2 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:00 AM EST
    Buckeye Voter

    Some decent volcanic action would mitigate the effects of global warming, too.

    • 1 vote
    #1.3 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:12 AM EST
    Starseeker

    its not clear from the article just how many blasts would be required (no doubt in relatively short succession vs over decades) but since its indicated to be less than hundreds lets say 50-100. Then you also need fires to create the black carbon called for. It would probably only take a few to settle most mid-east conflicts so the scenario seems unlikely at best.

    of course you could get pretty much the same thing from Libya setting its oil fields on fire.

      #1.4 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:21 AM EST
      AdipicAcid

      King Dave, very few of those test blasts were set off to maximize damage. In an actual war against an opponent with some bunkers, you are going to see far more ground bursts, which put a lot more material into the atmosphere. You are also going to see far more powerful detonations: the goal of the tests was to prove designs and the weapons were actually throttled back from their full yields routinely. My Dad worked the atmospheric tests, so you might call this the family business.

      • 2 votes
      #1.5 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:52 AM EST
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      brianfromPA

      I have no doubt this is being considered a viable option. The standard American is being dumbed down by the government/corporate media to be confused, but make no mistake. The government/corporate leaders know this is real, and need to find a solution or risk anarchy and loss of control.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#2 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:07 AM EST
      AdipicAcid

      I have no doubt this is being considered a viable option.

      Oh please.

      • 1 vote
      #2.1 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:23 AM EST
      WmRAllen

      I don't know if I'd discount Brian's statement so quickly, AA-- remember, there were folks proposing (in all seriousness) the use of a nuclear weapon as a method of plugging the BP well...

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:31 AM EST
      AdipicAcid

      And the universal response to them was, oh please.

      • 1 vote
      #2.3 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:53 AM EST
      WmRAllen

      Yes, and I made that response to them myself.

      But notice, Brian didn't say he was considering it-- just that he had no doubt someone was...

        #2.4 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:26 AM EST
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        watchbird-is-watching

        there is a Thai saying - "Run from the TIGER, encounter the CROCODILE!"

        Not that elimination of some of the population is not a desirable outcome, just that the lingering effects of radiation might be WORSE than the global warming. Besides, it would not do anything to lower the carbon dioxide problem that is at the very root of global warming

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        Reply#3 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:36 AM EST
        AdipicAcid

        I wonder. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are inhabitable today. The Sahara is mostly not, save for where the Nile waters it.

        • 1 vote
        #3.1 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:54 AM EST
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        Craig19

        Well that is great news.

          Reply#4 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:24 AM EST
          Tom-VermillionOhio

          Small nuclear war to reduce the effects of global warming?!?? Well okay then. Suggest they toss some those rascals on David & Charles Koch's 'stuff'. Their 'stuff' is just screwin' up the environment anyway. While they're at it. Shut down Fox News and Clear Channel and NewsCorp. They're just wasting electricity and important resources.

            Reply#5 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:51 AM EST
            Atsidi

            No such thing as a "small" nuclear war, and there would be no winners in any such exchange.

              Reply#6 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:59 AM EST
              AdipicAcid

              Yes, there is. Pakistan-India would be a small one, as both only have a handful of weapons. Israel-Iran would also be relatively small: Israel's arsenal is not large and Iran will have a couple at the most in the next decade or two. That's pretty small.

              • 1 vote
              #6.1 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:43 PM EST
              WmRAllen

              Because of course, any exchange would stay small and limited, right?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Ud3V9NPw8

                #6.2 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:01 PM EST
                Starseeker

                Every bit as realistic as any other end scenario out there. ;-)

                  #6.3 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:08 PM EST
                  AdipicAcid

                  Why would we get involved if India and Pakistan decided to blow each other up is a more apt question I am afraid.

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.4 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:09 PM EST
                  Atsidi

                  The wind and air currents certainly wouldn't cause an exchange to involve any other countries around them, or to be drinking radioactive water or anything. Just a nice neat little surgical nuclear war, involving no one else.

                    #6.5 - Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:17 PM EST
                    Decurion_505

                    Nuke 'em til it snows! rofl

                      #6.6 - Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:51 AM EST
                      Atsidi

                      Might as well.

                        #6.7 - Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:30 AM EST
                        AdipicAcid

                        So you are now claiming that if those winds blew the way you claim, the Russians and Chinese would detonate even more warheads in the same wind pattern, thus making their situation worse? You are engaging in Cold War thinking. When a nuclear exchange involved the USSR and the US there was truly no way to limit it, but these smaller nations are self-limiting.

                        That doesn't change the fact that it would be stupid, just the reasons why it would be.

                        • 2 votes
                        #6.8 - Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:45 AM EST
                        Atsidi

                        True enough, stupid is stupid no matter what the reasons.

                          #6.9 - Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:42 AM EST
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